B10 UIC coaches in C160 livery REE

Original page created on 30/10/2015; updated on 21/05/2023.

Brand - Reference

REE VB-068 (3 units) and VB-069

Type

B10 UIC 63 type in C160 livery

UIC number Revision date
51 87 20-80 611-7 5 16.1.73
51 87 20-80 618-2 5 23.2.73
51 87 20-80 621-6 5 26.2.73
51 87 20-80 625-7 5 12.1.73
Home base: Villeneuve

Weight

130 g (NEM: 113 to 146 g)

Comments

Very correct appearance. Up close, we can see many details. For example, access door small handles are inserted for the first time (as far as I know). Neither Jouef (of course), nor Roco, nor even LS Models on their Grill Express did it (I did it on my Jouef’s!). And, finally, the access door windows have almost correct dimensions.

But it’s a pity that the body-roof junction is so much visible (whereas there’s only a discreet welding in reality) and rather irregular, although, on my copy, it is less catastrophic than on others seen on the forums. It’s still less serious than on DEV coaches, because there are no burrs here. The defect is maximum on the end walls. REE makes such nice wagons…

The bogies, obviously screwed by a Mr. Muscle, are very detailed. Warning: the central dampers, inserted, tend to escape, (this is the case in the photo) and may also rub on a frame rib in extreme cases. The wheels have 0.8 mm flanges. It will be difficult to disassemble the axles because they are surrounded by the brake linkage (very detailed too).

There are on one side of the chassis two bosses meant to ensure a 2-point suspension (the third point being the ball of the opposite side bogie), but these bosses don’t lean on the bogie! They should be thicker by an average of 0.15 mm. And, on the other hand, there is very little clearance in rolling to the ball side: the secondary suspension spring heads quickly come into stop on the chassis beams.

The gangways, very thin and in metal, don’t stand vertical. Must be glued if you don’t want to lose one!

The metallic grey colour is incompatible with that of the LS Models USI coaches (darker, less glossy). But I don’t know who is right. The metallic grey strip is too wide.

No instruction sheet!

Finally, there is dirt on the windows inside the coaches, and some compartment walls (with “mirrors”) are crooked.

I bought the box of three coaches long after the first one which let me evaluate the product quality. As we have seen, it is not free of defects, but the promotional price (-46%!) at which this box is offered will allow me to complete train compositions cheap.

See:

Modifications

  • 3-point sitting restored by interposition of 0.3 mm shims glued on the bogie frame, bosses side.
  • Lighting with LEDs controlled by latching reed switch.

History

Coaches built according to the UIC specifications (Y type), 24.5 m long, delivered from 1964 to 1971 by De Dietrich and CIMT Lorraine, for a total of 300 units. UIC numbers 51 87 20-70 501-2 to 690-3 and 51 87 20-71 691-0 to 800-7.

Note: numbers 51 87 20-80 instead of 51 87 20-70 can be found, as on the REE coach. This corresponds to the presence of steam heating equipment in addition to electric heating, and therefore rather concerns coaches of the former series.

Documents

  • Loco-Revue sheet No. 80 / 65 c 7 (former series).
  • Loco-Revue No. 627 of July/August 1999, p. 30-35.
  • Ferrovissime No. 6 of June 2008, p. 16-22.
  • Ferrovissime No. 8 of September 2008, p. 45-54.
  • Wikipedia article.
  • eurocity64.fr website.
  • trains-europe.fr website.
  • DocRail website.

B10 UIC C160 REEB10 UIC C160 REE

UIC B10 coach in C160 livery

Anonymous photo on DocRail.

Dimension Actual 1:87 Model
Overall length 24 500 281.6 282.5
Chassis length 23 200 266.7 266.5
Width 2 880 33.1 33.4
Height 4 050 46.6 46.3 1
Pivot distance 17 200 197.7 197.3
Bogie wheelbase 2 300 26.4 26.5
Wheel diameter 920 10.6 10.6
  1. On average 46.5 after rectification of the seat.
List of the UIC B10 (after eurocity64.fr)
Type UIC No. Num. Bogies Deliv. Remarks
UIC 60 51 87 20-70 501 to 600 100 Y24 1964
UIC 61 51 87 20-70 801 to 805 005 Y24 1967 Ex CFL
UIC 63 51 87 20-70 601 to 630 030 Y24 1965
UIC 64 51 87 20-7(8)0 631 to 660 030 Y24 1966
UIC 65 51 87 20-70 661 to 690 030 Y24 1966
UIC 69 51 87 20-71 691 to 800 110 Y24 1971

See a page on this problem:
The grey strip mistake.

Document available as a PDF.
If you are interested, please let me know by e-mail,
specifying the title of the document-s.
For conditions, see page
Loco-Revue documentary sheets. .